What's the coolest historical enclosure content you've found in an old cover?

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  1. Rick 2

    Rick 2 Member

    Good day all! Well I found and bought an old cover and found the following ad in it.....I will post pics of the whole thing...! Sorry the first pic got posted twice. Not quite sure what the seller was selling but I'm thinking real estate was big business back then also!! Could have been apartments, or just a huge commercial bldg...! I really like finds like this. Its like a snapshot in time.
    1836 Rotterdam outer.jpg 1836 Rotterdam outer.jpg 1836 Rotterdam inner 1.jpg 1836 Rotterdam enclosure 1 (1).jpg 1836 Rotterdam enclosure 1 (2).jpg 1836 Rotterdam enclosure 2.jpg 1836 Rotterdam inner 2.jpg
     
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  2. Hochstrasse

    Hochstrasse Moderator Moderator

    Rick 2
    I can't say I've found anything like this, mostly business correspondence or family greetings. What makes your contents interesting is that it's a Austrian lottery sent through the French mail system. The actual agent for the Austrian lottery has penned a letter in Dutch from Frankfurt am Main Hesse citing prizes of houses and money. Love the archaic language.
     
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  3. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Quite interesting !
    My Dutch is nothing more than rudimentary,so I do not understand
    exactly the details.
    But,Hochstrasse,why do you think,the letter was sent through the
    French mail system ?
    I just wonder,wether lotteries were not legal in the Netherlands at
    the time,so that Gebroeders Schneider did there business from
    Frankfurt ?

    Similar matter here in Germany:
    On-line casino-gambling is illegal in Germany,with the exception
    of Schleswig-Holstein.There it is legal for the state´s citizens and
    people who usually live there.
    However on commercial TV-channels you are bombarded with commercials for such on-line casinos,what for sure are not aimed
    to the less than 3 millions people,living in Schleswig-Holstein !
    Although to each commercial the phrase is added :
    "this offer is for persons only,who are registered or have their
    centre of of living in Schleswig-Holstein" !
     
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  4. Rick 2

    Rick 2 Member

    I may have found an interpreter for this letter.....if he works it out I will post results!!
     
  5. Hochstrasse

    Hochstrasse Moderator Moderator

    Hi Werner,

    I'm was just guessing a letter from Frankfurt am Main to Rotterdam (or vice versa) passed through the French mail system because of the Franco stamp on the cover, perhaps it was just barged down the Rhine? As for the legality of lotteries in any of the countries in 1836 I have haven't any idea, but the flyer does mention the Austrian emperor and the minister of finance in the header.

    Hi Rick 2.
    i'd be interested in seeing the translation, like Werner my understanding of Dutch is also very basic.
     
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  6. BettyBoop

    BettyBoop Member

    that's fascinating Rick. IMG_0001.jpg IMG_0002 (2).jpg
    Here's one you might also find interesting.. a FDC and the letter enclosed.
    The letter is dated November 1, 1956, and the cancellation date on the cover is January 11, 1957. (I have another identical cover as well, but it's the letter and the back-story that makes this much more interesting.
    Apparently the letter had to be posted in New Zealand (Ross Dependencies is the NZ Antarctic area) in the special Antarctic cover envelope, without stamps.
    These new stamps, which no-one had seen until then, were affixed in Wellington, NZ.
    The envelope would then be flown over the South Pole, cancelled at the Scott Base, and returned to New Zealand for on-forwarding.
    Without seeing this letter. one might never have known these extraordinary details.
     
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  7. Rick 2

    Rick 2 Member

    I have a friend in the Netherlands Air Force, he's gonna look at it and attempt a translation for me. I think his kids speak a few other European languages, so hopefully between them he comes through!!
     
  8. Rick 2

    Rick 2 Member

    That is very interesting about the stamps.....makes me wonder if one could find NZAF or USAF Flight logs to find the actual date the cover had been flown over the pole...! The stamps had to be put on prior to departure from NZ...flown over the pole, cancelled at Scott, and returned to mainland NZ. I have been to the USAF Antarctic support base at Christchurch NZ....at the time I never thought about the South Pole cancels or I would have tried to get one sent to my house. I guess maybe the NZ Support Base works out of Wellington...?
     
  9. Rick 2

    Rick 2 Member

    OMG......it just hit me, its the "Saudi Prince" mail fraud/scam version 1836 !!! LOL
     
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  10. BettyBoop

    BettyBoop Member

    Hi Rick, sorry to say I don't know much about the NZ Antarctic Base, only the Australian one. All Australian Expeditions start from Hobart, Tasmania - the closest southern Australian land to Antarctica. If you find the flight logs I would be vey interested to know the details - thanks..
     
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