Trouble Finding This Icelandic Overprint in Catalogues...HELP?

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  1. H. G. Golightly

    H. G. Golightly Active Member

    gulfoss1.jpg I have been working on cataloguing & pricing my rather large MNH Icelandic Collection,
    (on and off since last October) and have run into a problem Identifying/pricing
    this nice block. The overprint is on a Facit #199 / Scott #175 (75a Gullfoss ) printed
    30.5.1932. Facit has more Back of Book listings than the Scott Cat., but I cannot find this
    overprint. My good Stamp-Friend helped translate the Greioslu-Merki as "Payment Logo 10"
    Perhaps someone of you has another Catalogue or perhaps can add any new info vis-a-vis this block.
    Thank You for taking a look,
    H.G. Golightly
     
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  2. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Best Answer
    Well,you got me right,but understood it wrongly.
    Your stamps are overprinted postage stamps,yes.
    But because of the overprint they are no longer
    postage stamps but revenue stamps.Of course
    these can exist mint or cancelled.
    What you find in Scott as "revenue cancellation" is
    something completely different:
    These are normal postage stamps,used as revenue
    stamps.They are usually cancelled with the
    customs cancel "Tollur" written in a rectangle.
    Scott does list many of these,Michel does not,
    because they are not postally used.But,I guess,
    because stamps with "Tollur" are much cheaper
    than postally used specimens and Americans often
    collect revenue stamps together with postage stamps,Scott lists them.
     
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  3. Hochstrasse

    Hochstrasse Moderator Moderator

    I found this Ebay listing. It looks like the second stamp in the picture, a Scott#175.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ICELAND-GRE...102323?hash=item5d5f2338b3:g:1ysAAOSweuxWSlnH
     
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  4. H. G. Golightly

    H. G. Golightly Active Member

    Greetings Hochstrasse,
    Thank You for time spent trying to ferret-out my Stamp I'd. problem.
    I noticed that my 2016 Scott catalogue has a listing for the Gullfoss 75a
    'Revenue Cancellation" but it is in the 'Used' column. Also there is no mention of a Revenue cancel. for the 65a. Could, what I took for an Overprint be considered a Cancellation? Perhaps someone else has an opinion and the mystery will not be so easily solved. Never the less, Thanks again for you info.
    Best regards,
    Harry
     
  5. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    This is no postage stamp,but a revenue stamp.
    Greidslumerki translates: Stampduty-stamp.
     
  6. H. G. Golightly

    H. G. Golightly Active Member

    Thanks, but if I understand you correctly you are saying is that my block is a block of Stampduty-stamps & not an overprint. Correct?
    HGG
     
  7. James-2489

    James-2489 Well-Known Member

    Hello Harry, your stamps are postage stamps that are overprinted for some kind of duty or tax. Are they unused? do they still have full gum? I believe that duty stamps are most commonly cancelled by a pen cancel or a signature or sometimes a duty paid or date stamp. even my birth certificate has one.
    Regards, James
     
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  8. H. G. Golightly

    H. G. Golightly Active Member

    HI James,
    Nice to hear from you again & Thanks.
    Upon close inspection the block shows absolutely no sign of any cancellation and exhibits excellent undisturbed gum. This is what makes this a conundrum for me. i.e. trying to get an approximate value. As mentioned above, Scott has listing for the 75a Gullfoss Revenue stamp but it is listed 'as used'.
    I was hoping that another catalogue might have more info as the Facit & Scott remain wanting.
    Regards,
    Harry
     
  9. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Best Answer
    Well,you got me right,but understood it wrongly.
    Your stamps are overprinted postage stamps,yes.
    But because of the overprint they are no longer
    postage stamps but revenue stamps.Of course
    these can exist mint or cancelled.
    What you find in Scott as "revenue cancellation" is
    something completely different:
    These are normal postage stamps,used as revenue
    stamps.They are usually cancelled with the
    customs cancel "Tollur" written in a rectangle.
    Scott does list many of these,Michel does not,
    because they are not postally used.But,I guess,
    because stamps with "Tollur" are much cheaper
    than postally used specimens and Americans often
    collect revenue stamps together with postage stamps,Scott lists them.
     
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  10. H. G. Golightly

    H. G. Golightly Active Member

    Thanks Werner,
    Guess I'm stuck w/ not knowing any values other than it being simply an unlisted but neat example of Icelandic postal history. That's enough for me. May I add, I really appreciate all of the members who pitched in their 2¢ worth.
    Best Regards,
    Harry
     
  11. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    Too bad post is old but NOT Best answer Stamps are listed in Facit for 1935 They were issued prior to specific revenues being printed
    Remainders of 65 aurar and 75 aurar Gullfoss stamps of 1932 were overprinted for this use, until specific Greiðslumerki stamps were definitively issued in 1936. Valid from 1st April 1935 - March 1941
    They were created for the payment of a flat fee on receipts of payment for amounts greater than 20 aurars on money-orders, invoices and receipt They were occasionally stamp cancelled but normally with a pen They are much less valuable than the 1931 Gullfoss series as they were much more common except for very rare inverted overprint
     
  12. Takis Kalogerakos

    Takis Kalogerakos Active Member

  13. Harry Golightly

    Harry Golightly NonHinged

    A Huge THANK YOU to all who took time forwarding their opinion & facts concerning this older post.
    My entire Iceland collection was sold through Weiss Auctions 3 years ago
    @ about 10% of CV.
    Cheers,
    HGG
     
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