Ocean Liners

Discussion in 'World Stamps' started by anglobob, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Have found threads about modern naval ships,sailing ships and ancient vessels.Hopefully this will add to the topic.
    The following stamps were issued in 1935 to commemorate the Paquebot Normandie.There were two different colour variations.
    Normandie 1.jpg
     
  2. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    This is a French cinderella stamp also showing the Paquebot Normandie.I personally find this stamp much more interesting and colourful. Normandie.jpg
     
  3. Molokai

    Molokai Moderator Moderator

    Pretty stamps but I agree the cinderella is more impressive. The sea has been a calling to many men over the centuries, naturally quite a few stamps. "Seemann, Seemann deine heimat ist das meer..." A very beautiful German song; check it out on YouTube by Lolita.

    You won't find this ocean liner (the Conte Biancamo) on a stamp - it is a picture postcard my paternal grandparents sent home when they went back to Italy in 1929 to show how well they did in the New Country. It was mailed with a 2c Washington 4th Bureau stamp...not sure how that works while at sea.

    CBship.jpg
     
  4. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Very interesting....

    Not familiar with the Lolita version of the song you mentioned.I remember a version by Petula Clark back when I was a youngster.
     
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  5. Molokai

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    Yes, I seem to remember Petula Clark doing a version of it. There were three foreign language songs that made it big in the States when I was a kid - Sukiyaki by Kyu Sakamoto in Japanese, Seemann in German by Lolita (Edith Einzinger) and Dominique by the Singing Nun (Jeanine Deckers) in French. Songs are typically best in their native tongue.
     
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  6. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    A very rare error from France, Paquebot Pasteur. This stamp was issued in 1941 and had a surcharge of 1fr 70c overprinted on the stamp.This stamp is missing the surcharges.There is an example for sale on Delcampe for 35,000 Euros.Don,t think my wife would be too happy if I bought this....... paquebot pasteur.jpg
     
  7. Molokai

    Molokai Moderator Moderator

    A lovely stamp!

    Ha! I catch it from my wife whenever another box of books arrives. "Are you going to collect stamps or stamp books?" "Why do you need more chess books now - even your phone can beat you no matter how much you read!"
     
  8. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Paquebot Ile de France. This is an airmail stamp from 1928 but the actual stamp was never issued,which was a pity as I think it is a very attractive looking stamp.
    However ,it is listed in the Maury catalogue , with a perforated and non-perforated version. The example shown is an unperforated essay. Paquebot ile de france.jpg
     
  9. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Nice item! It would be a super addition to a Ships topical collection.

    Maybe the French postal authorities came to the conclusion that it was a bit incongruous to put an oceanliner on an airmail stamp.:)

    Don
     
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  10. Molokai

    Molokai Moderator Moderator

    Yes, it would have been a lovely stamp; very attractive just as it! You just never know about the French!;)
     
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  11. Molokai

    Molokai Moderator Moderator

     
  12. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Would be interesting to know,wether the stamp will be sold.
    Also on Delcampe there is another offer for this stamp,this time
    priced € 8.799.-.The more expensive one does not mention,wether
    it is n.h.,the second one is hinged.
    There are also a number of forgeries of this stamp on offer.
    The pictures are not clear enough,to see wether the forgeries are
    engraved as the originals are.
    Both originals are offered as signed by experts.
    But who would trust such singing ? Nowadays,stamps of that
    calibre should be accompanied by a recent photo-attest of a
    still active expert.
    So,my best guess is,both stamps will remain unsold.
     
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  13. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    This is still listed on Delcampe and I doubt if it will sell at that price. I found another example which sold for 12000Euros at a London auction house.
    Signings are a rather difficult matter as you say.I have seen examples of forged signatures and fake certificates.Maybe even a fake copy of another fake certificate.
    I was advised by a seller in France to only buy stamps with a well known expert signing....but even then you have to be very careful.
     
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  14. Molokai

    Molokai Moderator Moderator

    It is a minefield out there, for sure! Yes, even certs can be faked or incorrect. I know 19th century U.S. can be very, very difficult. I've been working with the Newspaper & Periodical stamps lately and the general consensus is there are more fakes out there than legitimate stamps.
     
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  15. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Liner DR 654.jpg
    Not a Liner,but one of the earliast purpose-built cruise-ships.
    The "Wilhelm Gustloff" was put into service in April 1938.
    Built for 1471 passengers,it had a crew of 426.
    It was a "class-less" ship built to allow ordinary people to go on a cruise
    to foreign destinations.Foreign exchange was short in supply,so that
    the passengers,among them youth-groups of the HJ and BDM,had not
    much to spend off board,but were able nevertheless to have a glimps
    at "the world".It was one of the many programms by the "Kraft durch
    Freude" organization,founded by the Nazi-government.
    When the war started,the "Wilhelm Gustloff" was transformed into a
    hospital-ship and later became a barrack-ship for the second submarine
    training division.
    When due to the advancing Russian Army,the division was dissolved,
    the ship was used to transport military and civilian refugees from
    Eastern-Prussia to the West.
    On January 30th,1945,the ship was torpedoed by an russian submarine.
    It is not known exactly how many people were on board,but likely more
    than 10.000.There were 1250 survivers,the rest perished,making it
    the worst ship-desaster ever.
    Stamp issued Nov.4th,1937.
     
  16. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Liner DR 658.jpg
    The "Hamburg" was put into service in 1926.It was built for about
    1000 passengers on the sheduld service in the North-Atlantic.
    However the ship was much slower than her competitors.
    So in 1930 she got new machines,doubling her power.
    But still this was not sufficient,so the ship was used at times
    as a cruise ship,mainly fur US customers.
    In the war she served as a barrack-ship.
    Near the end of the war,she went to rescue refugees from the
    advancing Russians.On March 5th she docked in Sassnitz with
    more than 10.000 refugees.On the 6th the RAF attacked the
    harbour and ships,but the "Hamburg" received no hit.
    The captain decided to leave the harbour,as he expected more
    RAF raids.The ship left on the 7th and soon hit a mine and sank.
    There were no casulties.
    In 1950 the wrack was raised and repaired,to be "given" to Russia.
    But later it was decided to convert the now renamed "Juri Dolgurki"
    into a whaling-mothership.
    From 1960 she was on service as such in the South-Polar-Sea.
    In 1976 she was taken out of service and scrapped.
     
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  17. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Werner...nice stamps,I have always been attracted to ships on stamps.What is the meaning of Winterhilfsweek ?
     
  18. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    From a previous (2018) post:
    The Winterhilfswerk was a organisation of gigantic size.
    They,usually 1.2 to 1.5 Millions of volunteers,collected money
    and goods (mainly clothing) for the poor and later the soldiers
    on the Eastern Front.
    It existed before 1933,but was organized in a grand scale from
    then on.
    It was supervised by the "Ministerium für Propaganda und Volks-
    aufklärung",headed by Joseph Goebbels.
    Money came from two main-sources:
    a) donations by companies and institutions and b) from a tax of 10 % of the income taxes.
    Smaller amounts came from street collections mostly done by school-children.At the beginning of each yearly collection campaign top Nazi-greats were in the streets with collecting-boxes.
    A tiny amount,around a tenth of a percent was from the sale of
    stamps and postcards.
    In 1942/43 the total budget of the WHW was about 1.2 billions
    Reichsmark,in todays money ca. US $ 7 billions.
     
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  19. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Liner DR 659.jpg
    The "Europa" got the "Blue Ribbon" for the fastest crossing of the
    North-Atlantic in the East-West direction on her maiden-voyage in 1930.(and kept it till 1933)
    The ship had a catapult to launch airplanes,so that they could deliver
    mail faster on the last 1000 km of each passage.The catapult was
    removed in 1935,due to cost-reasons.
    It had a passenger-capacity of about 2000.
    The beginning of the war ended the liner service to the US.
    The ship was rebuild as a troop-carrier for the operation "Seelöwe"
    (sea-lion),the invasion of England,what never happened.
    In early 1945 the ship helped to transport refugees from the East to
    the West of Germany.The ship was intact,when the war ended.It was
    confiscated by the US and was used by them as a troop-carrier.
    In 1946 it was given to France as a war-reparation.
    It was rebuilt again and put into service on the North-America-Line
    under the name "Liberté".
    In 1961 it was put out of service and subsequently scrapped.
     
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  20. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Liner Bund 2803A.jpg
    Liner Bund 2807.jpg
    The "Andrea Dora",named after the genoise Admiral Andrea Doria,
    was an italian liner,put into service in 1953.
    On her way from Genoa to New York the ship collided with the
    swedish passenger vessel "Stockholm" close to the coast of
    Massachusetts on July 25th,1956.She sank the following day,while the
    "Stockholm" could get back to New York on her own.
    Most casualties were killed or injured on impact.The other passengers
    were saved by other ships,among them the "Stockholm".

    The german singer Udo Lindenberg wrote a song,what otherwise
    has no relation to ship,but has the refrain:"Aber sonst ist alles klar
    auf der Andrea Doria".(apart from that,everything is O.K. on the
    Andrea Doria)
    Lindenberg is the designer of the above stamps,issued July 1st,2010.
    Upper stamp with water-activated gum,lower self-adhesive.
     
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