How Skilled Are You With Identifying Counterfeit Stamps?

Discussion in 'Stamp Chat' started by Peter T Davis, Feb 20, 2013.

  1. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Administrator Moderator

    I posted this photo on our Facebook page the other day, not really trying to make a point, but more to get people thinking about counterfeits and what's the best way to not be tricked by them. I think that this set is somewhat obvious, when you're familiar with the ones that are being copied, but they're also not the best counterfeits I've seen. I found this set listed on Ebay (Link) and at least they're labeled as such but how many on Ebay don't get marked clearly that they're fakes?

    Obviously, with high-value rarities, one should take precautions. I know that even less people in stamp collecting appreciate the authentication services than in coin collecting, but it is one way to help make sure you're buying the genuine item. But, considering the even lower cost of counterfeiting stamps compared to coins, the "bad guys" can setup a profitable outfit producing fakes of stamps that sell for a couple bucks. What's your approach to the issue of counterfeit stamps?

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  2. Hochstrasse

    Hochstrasse Moderator Moderator

    Interesting question I had never thought about. I don't buy high value items on Ebay, in fact I haven't bought anything there for several years. I do buy items that have certs, but seldom seek a certification for items that I possess or have recently bought. I usually buy items at auction with firms that I trust and have experience with. I also buy through the APS. Definitely caveat emptor!
     
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  3. desertgem

    desertgem Active Member

    Usually the counterfeits misdoing was that they couldn't get the proper watermarked paper. There were plenty of excellent engravers, but the ink composition and the watermarks foiled them with those that could check perfs and watermarks. Most beginners can do perfs fairly easily, once they learn to distinguish refering operations, but many have pains with distinguishing watermarks, Watermark 191 could have such a small portion of a U.S.P.S that many couldn't find them. Especially with the higher values that more often than not, got a "smudge" cancellation.

    For early date counterfeits , I have the Serrane Guide, published translaton by the APS ( 1998) of Stamp Forgeries of the World to 1926, which is very informative on rare stamps, although many newspaper stamps and other BOB were quite often done.

    Jim
     
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  4. zararina

    zararina Simply Me! :D

    I am actually not aware of those fake stamps being sold online as I do not think that a collector would want those kind of stamps.
    I agree that for high value stamps, better if there are certifications included to ensure its authenticity.
     
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  5. Sarahrtw

    Sarahrtw Active Member

  6. Steve Robinson

    Steve Robinson Well-Known Member Supporter

    I have some early private mail stamps (US) that are reprints, they are very good ones as well and thankfuly the seller was selling them as such and I have marked each one copy in pencil on the back.
    I bought them simply because I wanted some examples :D
     
  7. Sarahrtw

    Sarahrtw Active Member

    You made a very good point, Steve. There's nothing wrong with having or selling duplicates as long as you are clear that's what tehy are. It's about honesty, right? I tend to think most people are honest in their dealings, but I'm not naive enough to say that there are *no* dishonest dealers 'out there.
     
  8. Biged239

    Biged239 New Member

    Are the watermarks being copyed also? I would have never thought untill I read this post that there would be counterfeits. Good post. I will have to look at some of my earlier stamps.
    Thanks Biged
     
  9. Steve Robinson

    Steve Robinson Well-Known Member Supporter

  10. ursell

    ursell Member

    I wouldn't know a counterfeit stamp if i saw one because I'm a beginner at
    stamp collecting. So I wouldn't know what to look for.
     
  11. eagle22

    eagle22 Member

    Unfortunately I am pretty terrible at spotting counterfeits. I have been "scammed" on a few occasions. You would think I would have learned my lesson after the first few times but I keep falling for some of the scams!
     
  12. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Some counterfeits are obvious, but others not so. I'm no expert on fake stamps, but, generally, the stamps I buy are not so expensive that getting a counterfeit would not be a tragic loss. I find that I am equally, or even more susceptible to buying a stamp that is without watermark and should have one or has the wrong watermark, same for perfs varieties, or re-gummed stamps. Lots of things to look for and confirmed when buying stamps, but learning to do so successfully is what make a knowledgeable collector.

    Don
     
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  13. zararina

    zararina Simply Me! :D

    Just like others, I also think that buying low denomination stamps is safer from buying higher ones. I also think that used stamps are harder to fake than mints. :D
     
  14. TomRalphio

    TomRalphio Member

    I think if there's transparency and the seller is clearly stating that they are reprints, then it's fine. It happens in art (paintings) quite a bit - not everyone can have an original Van Gogh now can they?

    As far as identifying them is concerned, I think that's a tough one for me. I usually get stamps off actually used letters etc so that is a sort of proof that they are authentic, right?
     
  15. Hochstrasse

    Hochstrasse Moderator Moderator

    You are correct that generally speaking stamps that have gone through the mail are legit, but not always as this link will attest to.

    http://stampsjoann.net/Counterfeit/Counterfeit-main.html

    Sometimes it is best to save the cover with the stamp attached if it is a special use or limited commemorative. I generally save covers intact for a number of years until I am certain taking them off doesn't detract from its value.
     
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  16. ursell

    ursell Member

    I couldn't tell if a stamp is a counterfeit or not. I haven't been collecting stamps
    long enough to know the difference.
     
  17. vatrecia

    vatrecia New Member

    I don't know, I personally would not purchase anything high of value, collecting stamps is great. But being desperate for fakes is another thing, people should be more wise as to how they limit there earning on stamps. Look into it more, before making a purchase.
     
  18. Amir King

    Amir King Member

    I would have though that if you buy from a dealer then they should have checked for counterfeit clues and it should be legit and genuine. I guess you have to approach ebay with caution as people might put anything up on there.
     
  19. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Regrettably, there are a lot of "dealers" who don't know much about their product. You will find unknowledgeable dealers on the online auction sites, at stamp shows, and even working in stamp shops. I consider it my responsibility to know what I am looking at and if it is genuine, accurately described, and worth the price asked. There are, of course, real knowledgeable dealers still around and if you can find one or more that's great. They are very helpful for pointing out the watermark, color, or perf varieties of some stamp issues and consequently can save a buyer money.

    Don
     
  20. zararina

    zararina Simply Me! :D

    Also there could be knowledgeable dealers who are knowledgeable how to make a fake stamp looks real. :p
    Better to deal with trusted knowledgeable dealers especially online.
     

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