Classical Stamps

Discussion in 'What's it Worth?' started by Werner Salentin, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Robert,
    you may be right !
    But in any case I take every bet,that the forged 1 pound-coins are worth much
    more than 2 pounds.
    Maybe,that was the idea of the not that stupid Irish Man ?

    Werner
     
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  2. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Italien 2.jpg
    Italy
    upper stamp: 1/2 Grano,issued 1861 for the former kingdom of Naples.
    (from a set of 8)
    middle: 80 C.,issued Oct,3rd,1862. (from a set of 4) In used condition a very
    expensive stamp.
    bottom: additional value,issued Jan.1st,1863.
     
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  3. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Italien 16.jpg
    issued Dec.1st,1863;
     
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  4. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Italien 23.jpg
    1 C. issued 1863, 2 C. issued March 1st,1865, 20 C. issued April 1867;
     
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  5. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

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    The above letter with a 9 Kreuzer Baden missprint on green paper (the paper of the 6 Kreuzer),instead on lilac rose paper,was sold in Germany for roughly
    US-$ 1.8 millions,fees and taxes incl.
    It is said to be the highest price payed for a german stamp ever.
    Three specimens of this missprint are known.Two on letter,one on a letter-piece.
    The sold letter belonged to the collection of the german billionaire Erivan Haub,
    who died 2018,aged 85.
     
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  6. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Modena 1.jpg
    The Duchy of Modena issued six stamps 5,10,15,25,40 C. and 1 Lira on June 1st,1851.Except of the 15 and 25 C. (no period only) all values exist with or
    without a period after the figures of value.

    In 1859 a provisional government issued five more stamps,prior the introduction of the stamps of Sardinia and later of Italy.
    There are also five newspaper tax stamps,issued 1853/59.
     
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  7. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Parma 2.jpg
    Parma,first series,issued June 1st,1852.
    Except of the 10 C. all stamps (5,15,25,40 C.) of the first series
    were printed on coloured paper.
     
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  8. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Parma 6.jpg
    Parma,second series coloured on white paper,
    issued Dec.31st,1853 (5 C.),Dec.30th,1853 (15 C.) and 25 C., I do not have),
    issued May 28th,1855.
     
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  9. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Parma 10.jpg
    One stamp only of the third series.
    issued: 15 C. March 4th,1859,25 C. July 3rd,1857,40 C. June 30th,1857

    After the abolition of the duchy 1859,stamps of Sardinia were used for a short time.End of August/September a set of five stamps and two newspaper-tax
    stamps were issued by the provisional government.
    In March 1860 Parma became a part of Sardinia and subsequently of Italy.
     
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  10. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    V Romagna 5.jpg
    Romagna was part of the Papal State.It broke away in 1859 and joined the
    united Italy soon after.
    Nine stamps were issued in 1859 (1/2,1,2,3,4,5,6,8,20 Bajocchi).
    Except of the shown 4 B.,the stamps were not used a lot.So mint stamps
    are much cheaper than used ones and cancel-forgeries are plentiful.
     
  11. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    The kindom of Sardinia was,apart from the island,situated in the north-west
    of Italy.In 1859/60 Sardinia annexed nearly all other Italian States and
    was renamed Kingdom of Italy.
    V Sardinien 2.jpg
    upper right: first issue 1851 3 val. 5,20 (shown),40 C.

    The second issue of 1853 is like 1851,but now the head of the king
    and insriptions are embossed.

    lower left: third issue 1854 same values,frame fully coloured,head of the king colourless embossed.Shown is the 20 C.

    upper left and lower right: fourth issue 1855-63,head only embossed.
    This series is rich in different prints,shades etc.
    5,10,20,40 (shown),80 C.,3 L. (shown).The bronze colour of the 3 L.
    appears brown on my scan.
    Same stamps perforated = Italy 1862 issue.

    Two newspaper stamps (1 and 2 C.) were issued in 1861,what show the
    numerals embossed in the centre oval.
     
  12. sforgca

    sforgca New Member

    No Known forgeries?
    Fournier made abundant forgeries of all the T&T and different fake cancels
    Placido Ramon De Torres made several forgeries also in large quantities but somewhat crude
    There are also several types of crude forgeries from an unknown source
    In 1909 large numbers of reprints were made from original plates but as they were not government approved to be resold the word "reprint" means little else than forgeries in this case
    Then there are the imperfs that were fake and perfed by the Senf brothers
    Also numerous fake imperfs from trimmed later rouletted issues - easy to tell by the embossing
    And of course many fake cancels. This would be next to impossible to determine without genuine cancel samples
     
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  13. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    I am by no means an expert for Thurn and Taxis and do not have
    a lot of literature about forgeries.
    According to Opitz "Wissen schützt vor Schaden",Fournier "only
    played a secondary part",but faked a lot of cancels.
    The 1909 reprints were produced on the order of the Thurn and Taxis
    Central-Archive in Regensburg.7500 stamps each (33) were reprinted.
    Michel lists them for Euro 5.- each.
    There are a few other forgeries,- Sperati did the 1/3 Sgr. -,but they
    are rare and more valuable than the originals.
    Apart from alterations,that I had described before and faked cancels,
    Thurn and Taxis is very "secure" to collect,if you only use your
    "healthy mind".
     
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  14. sforgca

    sforgca New Member

    These comment seems to differ from your earlier post that there are no T&T forgeries.
    The thing about forgeries is very simple - if one article/book says there are X number of forgeries - you are guaranteed there are X+ forgeries
    As for the plentiful fake cancels without samples of the genuine cancels, a "healthy mind" would not be of any use.
     
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  15. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    sforgca,
    you probably misunderstood me: with a "healthy mind",or
    if you like common sense,I mean you should keep simple
    precautions,when buying Thurn und Taxis stamps.
    An example (the most extreme one):
    Michel 45 (1/4 Gr. coloured rouletting,1866) costs
    mint € 3.-,used € 1300.-.If you have interest in a used one
    and are no expert yourself,you miss a healthy mind,
    if you buy it without the expertise of an internationally
    regognized expert.It´s probably even better,to stay away
    from such used rarities at all.
     
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