Classical Stamps

Discussion in 'What's it Worth?' started by Werner Salentin, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    James:

    That's a beauty!
     
  2. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Werner:

    Once again, very fine to extremely fine centering. Difficult to come by in 19th century stamps.

    Don
     
  3. James-2489

    James-2489 Well-Known Member

    Hello Werner, because everybody has been quoting Scott numbers, I thought that I might invest in a catalogue, I found a Scott 2009 V1 to V6 on DVD on Ebay. I have just started using it but I am finding it quite difficult, I have to learn all the "shortcuts" to find what I want, it's a lot easier scanning through paper catalogues though much more expensive.

    Regards, James.
     
  4. James-2489

    James-2489 Well-Known Member

    Hello all,
    I bought the New Brunswick stamp in 1960 for the princely sum of 2/6. about US 50c then, and one of my reasons for buying it, was because the QV image looked like my girlfriend (but without the Crown and Diamonds) The dealer said it was 100 years old, and it still lasted longer than Jennifer.

    James.
     
  5. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    I wonder what the price might be.
    My "paper-Scott" is from 1990 for "world" and
    1996 for US and Br.Commonwealth.
    I have also the 2009 edition loaded down,free
    of charge,thanks Mssrs.Mega-Upload.
     
  6. James-2489

    James-2489 Well-Known Member

    Hello Werner, I paid less than $7 for my DVD edition inclusive of postage.

    Regards, James

    PS my favourite catalogue is my 1912 edition of SG GB and Commonwealth.
    It cost 2/6 then.
     
  7. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    That´s fair enough !
     
  8. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Some more,where I have one or two only:
    K Serbien.jpg
    Serbia,1860
    K NSc.jpg
    Nova Scotia,1860
    K Sarawak.jpg
    Sarawak,1871
    K Meck.ST..jpg
    Mecklenburg-Strelitz,1864
    The Grand-Duchee issued six stamps only.
    K NZ.jpg
    New Zealand,1871
    K Antigua.jpg
    Antigua,1863 K PEI.jpg
    Prince Edward Island 1872 & 1862 K ST&P.jpg
    Sao Thome e Principe,1869
    K Tas.jpg
    Van Diemens Land,1857
    (renamed later as Tasmania)
     
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  9. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Finland,a grand duchee till 1917,when it gained
    complete independence.The grand duke or
    grand prince of Finland was the Russian Tsar.
    Suomi1.jpg
    Januar 1st,1860
    Cancel + pen-cancellation are normal for this
    stamp.(Russian curreny)
    Suomi2.jpg
    Dec.1866,Finnish currency
    Stamps are rouletted.The long "tongues" are
    delicate,so undamaged specimen are rare.
    5 different types of rouletting exist.
    Suomi3.jpg
    1866,with two shortened tongues.Such stamps
    value about 50 % of an undamaged specimen.
    Suomi4.jpg
    Aug.8th,1875,perf.11.(not to confuse with the
    (expensive) 32 P.stamp from July 1st,1875,
    perf.14 x 13,5)
    Although issued after 1870,I have this stamp
    in my classical collection.
     
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  10. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Werner:

    The breath and depth of your classical collection is impressive.


    Don
     
  11. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    The early stamps of France look to me like the
    impersonations of classical stamps.If there would
    have been stamps in the Roman Empire,they would
    have looked the same,I think.
    F1.jpg
    First Ceres issue (set of 7) of 1849/50
    F2.jpg
    President Louis Napoleon 1852 (set of 2)
    F3.jpg
    Empire,Napoleon III,without laurel wreath,
    1853/61 (set of 10)
    F4.jpg
    same set,20 C.Type I and Type II
    F5.jpg F6.jpg
    Same perforated,1862/72,(set of 6) F7.jpg F8.jpg
    Napoleon III with laurel wreath (set of 8),1862/70

    The last stamp for today,is one of the "dream stamps"
    of mine,when I was a young boy.My father had
    an illustrated world-wide stamp album.The first page
    showed some of the precious classical stamps and
    their prices.As the album was from 1923,the prices
    were enormous.Millions if not billions of Mark.But
    of course,it was the time of the great inflation.
    But what would I know about the value of money
    in 1923 !
    One of the stamps of that page was the following
    5 Fr. of 1869: F9.jpg
    So one dream fullfilled.
    To be continued...
     
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  12. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    France continued: F10.jpg
    issued Dec.,1870 (set of 3)
    When Louis Napoleon became prisoner of war
    by Prussia,the monarchy was abolished and the
    3rd Republic was established.The stamps of 1849
    were reissued,now perforated.
    The new republic refused to capitulate.The war
    dragged on.Paris was besieged for more than
    four months,before it fell and Prussia and her
    allies of Southern Germany had won the war.
    During the siege of Paris the Government fled
    to Bordeaux,where the following stamps were
    issued:
    F11.jpg F12.jpg
    Bordeaux issue,Nov.13,1870/1871 (set of 9)
    Unlike all other Ceres stamps,what have necks
    shaded with points,the necks of the Bordeaux-issue
    are shaded with lines.
     
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  13. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    France continued:
    F13.jpg F14.jpg
    1871/1873 neck shaded with points,
    10,15,25 C. small numerals
    F15.jpg
    1872/1875 larger numerals

    Postage Due Stamps:
    F16.jpg
    15 C.,issued Jan.1st,1863
    25 C.,issued Sept.1st,1871
     
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  14. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    France,final part: F17.jpg
    issued 1859/65 (set of 6)
    This set and the following were issued for use in all French
    Colonies,except for Algeria and Tunesia,what used stamps
    of France proper.
    1871 three stamps were issued: Napoleon with laurel
    1872 a 5 C. stamp was issued: Napoleon without laurel
    F18.jpg
    Issued in December 1871 (also 10 and 20 C.)
    The 40 C. exists in two types
    F19.jpg
    1872/77 (set of 6),15,25 C.small numerals
    F20.jpg
    1872/77 large numerals (also 10,15,80 C.)

    The colonial issues are all imperforated and show the shading
    with points on the necks.
    Some are similar or even identical to the stamps of France
    and can be best destinguished by the cancellations.
    Here ends classical France.
    The following issue "Peace and Commerce" is the begin of the
    "Semi-Classicals",as they are called in France.
     
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  15. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Hungary: U22.jpg
    Lithographed,issued May 1st,1871
    Have one only from the set of 6
    U8.jpg U11.jpg
    Engraved,issued 1871/72

    U14.jpg
    This scan shows nicely the difference between the lithographed
    and the engraved stamps.
    Centering of both sets usually is poor to very poor.
     
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  16. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Inspired by Makanudo,here my classics from Sweden:
    s2.jpg
    issued July 1st,1855 4 Sk.in different tones
    There are four more stamps (3,6,8 and 24 Sk.) in the set,all pretty expensive.The 3 Sk. normally blue-green exists in the colour of
    the 8 Sk. yellow-orange.Only one stamp exists,the most
    expensive stamp from Europe, ever sold.

    In 1858 the Riksdaler remained,but was no longer made up by
    48 Skillings but from now on by 100 Öre.
    s7.jpg
    5 Ö.green,issued 1867,5 Ö.yellow-green,issued Jul.1st,1858
    s9.jpg
    12 Ö.blue,issued 1858,12 Ö.ultra-marine,issued 1861
    s10.jpg
    24 Ö.dull-orange,issued 1866,30 Ö.issued 1858 (?)
    s12.jpg
    50 Ö.carmine-rose,issued 1860
    The is one more stamp in this set,the 9 Ö. red- or blue-violet.

    s14.jpg
    Issued Dec.1st,1862
    s15.jpg
    17 Ö.,20 Ö. issued April 1st,1866
    There are two more stamps for local letters within Stockholm,(no value expressed) 1856 in black,1862 in yellow- to olive-brown
    With the above shown issue (in my opinion) ends the classic
    era of Sweden.
     
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  17. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Patrimonium Petri (Papal State)
    A few days ago zevrap 99 showed some later stamps from this
    country.I have stamps of the first issue from 1852 only:
    PP1.jpg
    1/2 Bajocco,3 Baj.
    PP2.jpg
    1 Baj,7 Baj. (both stamps were taken off the peace for
    examination and later refixed with hinges)
    PP3.jpg
    4 Baj.,5 Baj.
    PP4.jpg
    6 Baj. (missing 2 and 8 Baj.)
    The 1/2 Baj.is expertised,the others I hope a genuine,but I am
    not sure.
     
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  18. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Austria
    First issue of 1850
    Öx1.jpg
    1 Kreuzer yellow missing
    There are two different papers: hand-made and machine-made.
    Hand-made paper has a sheet-watermark.However only 4 or 5
    stamps in each sheet of 60 show parts of the watermark.
    Sheets of 60 were printed,because 60 Kreuzer made one Gulden.
    The sheets were printed 8 x 8,leaving a surplusof four fields.
    One these St.Andrews Crosses were printed.Single St.Andrews
    Crosses cost a few hundred bucks.Stamps attached with an Cross
    are expensive to very expensive and can cost around $ 10.000.-
    continued...
     
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  19. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    The 3,6 and 9 Kreuzer are inexpensive.So specialists can look
    for different types etc.
    All stamps exist in two (I and III),the 9 Kr. in three types.
    Öx5.jpg
    Here Type I (9 lower than Kreuzer) and
    Type III (9 and Kreuzer on the same level,the outer frame
    line of the coats of arms shows a double line,while there is
    a single thick line on Type I and II.)
    There are a number of subtypes,like differences in the space
    between the 9 and K.
     
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  20. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    There exist a number of flaws:
    Öx4.jpg
    The one I have:Big blue spot over above the K
     
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