Classical Stamps

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  1. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    It is not easy to say when the "classical" periode of Nepal ends.
    I take the end of the rule of the Ranas and and the restoration the king´s
    powers around 1948/50.
    In 1907 a stamp series in a new design,printed in England,was issued:
    Nepal 21.jpg
    Siva Mahadeva and the Himalaya;
    Exist on white paper (peace printings) and on greyish paper (war printings from 1917 on).
     
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  2. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Missing the 1930 series of eight stamps,here the 1935 series,
    again printed in England:
    Nepal 46.jpg
    The two series can easily be distinguished from each other by the
    (devangari) numbers in the lower corners:
    the 1907 issue reads 19 64
    the 1935 issue reads 19 92,
    and of course by the different inscription of the bottom line.
     
  3. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

     
  4. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Perhaps you could tell,why you consider some stamps as forgeries and
    what the differences to original stamps are ?
     
  5. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

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  6. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Hallo Don,
    I had the same idea,but I must have been wrong.
    Checking the members list,C.DeVon was aged 53,
    while RuStamps is aged 60.
    So it cannot be the same user,or can he ?

    Werner
     
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  7. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    I think it could well be the same person. Registrants can put any information they choose when signing up. My birthday in my personal profile is not my real birthday. I've gotten so I don't put personal identifiers in public profiles. Too much identity theft these days. Then there is this guy too. Also the same one?


    "Michael Javick said:
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    Don
     
  8. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    I hope you are correct and it is always the same person,Don !
    Because otherwise more than one of this kind of guys would be around.
     
  9. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Nepal 52.jpg
    Issued June 1st 1941 (8 P.),April 1942 (2 P.,4 P.),April 1946 others.
    On my scan the stamps are in the order: 2,4,16 & 8 Paisa.
    This set was printed by Gurkha Patra Press in Katmandu.
    (part I of 2)
     
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  10. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Nepal 56.jpg
    (part II of 2)
     
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  11. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    So by your reference, the MANY instances where a dealer obtained original plates like Transvaal, Samoa etc and made "reprints" for sale to collectors that is fine?
    A non postal entity reprint with original dies to fool collectors is a FORGERY plain and simple. "Neudruck" doesn't make it legal for postage unless so authorized by the postal authorities. Many unofficial reprints can be recognized by minor differences made to the original dies, so how is this a reprint of the original and not an outright forgery? Just because your catalog calls it a "reprint" does not make such unauthorized issue valid. This view is held by the FFE, Lynn's and many other authorities.
     
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  12. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Nepal b.jpg
    An imperforated bloc of 4 of the 2 P.-value.
    Note the laid paper.
     
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  13. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    This might be better than yours on the left?
    linc.jpg

    or something like this

    Farragut.jpg

    This might pass for a nice scan
    Ank .jpg

    Maybe something more modern
    bird1.jpg
     
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  14. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Nepal.jpg
    A printing error:
    2 P. (left stamp) green instead of brown.
    The right stamp is the regular 4 P.
    As the Gurkha Patra Press printings are rather primitive and not sharp,the
    difference is difficult to spot.The values are not expressed in numbers,what would be difficult enough (the lower corners show the year in nepalese
    numbers),but are written in words.
    From the clearer british prints here an example:
    Nepal a.jpg
    upper stamp top (sidelines of the stamps) line: two Paisas
    lower stamp: four Paisas
     
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  15. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    The Siva Mahadeva design was used a last time for the top-value (1 Rupee)
    of the definitive series,issued Oct.1st,1949:
    Nepal 67.jpg
     
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  16. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    One of my favourite countries is Mauritius.No collector can have a complete
    collection of the early stamps,as all "Post Office" stamps are in Museums or
    public collections.
    The early issues till 1859,showing Queen Victoria,were all locally printed
    in Mauritius.
    X Mauritius 3 V.jpg
    The second series of two 1 & 2 P.,now inscribed "POST PAID",was issued
    in May 1848.
    Earliast prints,what show diagonal and vertical background-lines are
    rare and very expensive.
    Later prints,from more and more worn plates,what show diagonal lines only,
    or hardly any lines at all,are more affordable.
     
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  17. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    So one can see what the stamp actually looks like
    167892_full.jpg
     
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  18. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    X Mauritius 5 II.jpg
    issued in August 1859
    The 2 P.-value of the previous issue was re-engraved by Jules Lapriot in 1859.
    Mine is an intermediate print,what means from the slightly worn plate.
    However,when I received it from an auction,I realized,that the stamp showed
    bluish paper,what is found on late prints from the badly damaged plate.
    Catalogues however had listed mine on white paper only.So I thought
    it might be a forgerie.So I gave it to the RPS for expertising.
    The result: the stamp is genuine.The first the RPS had received on bluish
    paper.
     
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  19. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    X Mauritius 10.jpg
    issued 1858
    The stamps in the design "Britannia" were printed in England.
    No face-value shown,this one is 4 Pence.
    Same stamp overprinted with FOUR PENCE in an arc at the top,was issued in
    1854 (!)
     
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  20. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    X Mauritius 12 I.jpg

    Mau.jpg
    Bigger is not always better !
    The stamp was issued 1859 as a 9 P. - stamp.
    In November 1862 the stamp was sold as a 1 P. - stamp for inland-use only.
    Such stamps are always obliterated with "oval bars B53"-cancel and are priced roughly at 50% of a stamp used as 9 P..
     
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