Classical Stamps

Discussion in 'What's it Worth?' started by Werner Salentin, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. Molokai

    Molokai Moderator Moderator

    ....genuine forgeries !!!:)
     
  2. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    I´m neither an expert for early french stamps,nor do I know how
    scarce the Sperati-forgery of the 1 F.-stamp is.
    But to my humble knowledge your stamp is no Sperati-forgery.
    Sperati (1884-1957) claimed to have produced never forgeries
    but imitations.And had sold his products as such.
    His imitations were so well made,that experts often took them
    for originals.Probably most famous are his imitations of the 1859
    error-print of the 2 Schillinge from Lübeck.The error is (ZWEI EIN HALB instead of ZWEI) in the line of words.
    The error occurs on two neighbouring stamps (each of them is identifiable) in a sheet of 100.
    Sperati imitated only one of them.Today exist about double as
    many of the error stamps of the one Sperati imitated,than of the
    other one.The only logical explanation for this is,that his
    imitations were just perfect !
    Back to your stamp:
    The "Sperati-forgery" can be identified by a break in the upper
    part of the right frame-line,what your stamp does not show.
    However it might be possible,that the break was closed by
    hand-drawing later.But that should not be to difficult to see.
    Usually "Sperati-forgeries" are much cheaper than the original
    stamps.Prices should be well below the € 50.- mark.But I do not
    know,if there are exceptions.But especially on e-bay one can
    find pretty odd offers with "lunatic" prices.
     
  3. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Werner......I wasnt trying to imply this was a Sperati forgery at all.Based on your original information,I think the stamp is genuine and I got a bargain.
    Bob
     
  4. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Bob,
    neither was I !
    I fully agree: you got a nice stamp at a bargain price.
    Werner
     
  5. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    z Baden 23.jpg
    The last series,issued 1868.
    All Baden stamps remained valid till Dec.31st,1871.
    Next day the stamps of the Reichspost of Germany were introduced.
     
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  6. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    z Baden L1.jpg
    Rural Postage Due Stamps,issued 1862/63
    Most stamps are off center.
    Although in use for nearly nine years,genuinely used stamps
    are much more expensive than mint ones.
    The 12 Kreuzer used is very rare and expensive ($ 20.000.- +)
    Remainders were sold 1873.
    For the 12 Kr.:
    printed approx.160.000,sold as remainders 159.307 !!
     
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  7. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    z Baden D.jpg
    On Jan.1st,1905 service stamps for use in Baden were issued.
    However this were not "normal" service stamps,but they were
    issued for statistical reasons.
     
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  8. C. DeVon

    C. DeVon New Member

    Although the T&T full forgeries are not as plentiful as some other States, they do exist.
    Several forgers made them most notably Fournier who forged the complete series and did some reasonable work.
    An example of his work
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  9. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    A nice copy of a forgery !
    If it is not due to the scan,the colour of the paper is quite
    different to originals,like this one:
    z-T&T 1.jpg
    There are also a lot of minor details what differ,
    For me the most striking point would be the cut.It is highly
    unlikely,that a genuine stamp can have such wide margins,
    without showing parts of the neighbouring stamps.
     
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  10. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    After the Second World War the southern part of Baden came
    under french occupation.(the north was occupied by the US)
    Here some examples of the 57 stamps,issued 1947/1949.
    These were the last stamps inscribed Baden.
    z Baden Nord.jpg
     
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  11. C. DeVon

    C. DeVon New Member

    These scans are awful, can barely make them out
     
  12. C. DeVon

    C. DeVon New Member

    Checking the size of the "F" in a Sperati forgery is the least reliable method other than the fact a Sperati tends to have more rounded corners
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    Sperati on top, Genuine re-issue bottom
    Sperati made several variations of this stamp
    1. Most Sperati tend to have breaks in the outer frame
    2. The first S in POSTES has a short top
    3. A real feature is to examine the pearls. In the genuine they are all distinctly separated from the frame. In the Sperati many are fused with it
    4. The scrollwork on the sides has many differences
    5. The white areas in the neck are more prominent and the lines are more irregular
    6. The small dots under the neck are irregular
    7. Several hair lines are missing
    A dozen other differences
     
  13. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

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  14. C. DeVon

    C. DeVon New Member

    In case you might wonder what reasonable scans of German states look like, here are a few examples from my collection

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    If you are using one of those All in One scanner/printer there is a solution
    Stop using it, get a decent dedicated scanner from Epson or Canon ($50-$250) and use a good scanning program like VueScan.
     
  15. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    C Devon...
    Thank you for your wonderful words of advice. I am sure everyone appreciates your words of wisdom.
     
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  16. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

     
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  17. C. DeVon

    C. DeVon New Member

    I am aware that the Hamburg stamp is a Mi. 19U Essay with a of CV about 2.5X the 19 CV which I also have. CV's mean nothing since the condition can make it more or much less than the CV. I never collected with CV's in mind as they are just bits of interesting paper.
    The post is meant to show how scans of 150 year old stamps can appear with the proper equipment and software.
    The imperfs I posted were cropped to show the main features better and are not what the initial scan looks like.
    My German States collection is about 95% complete which I can post a particular sample if someone wants to see what a stamp or one of the forgeries looks like. Likewise if someone has some interest in classical France, Belgium, Austria, Spain, Russia, Japan, US Locals, Russian Zemtsvos and many more.
     
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  18. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

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    Genuine re-issue bottom
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    Just a question out of curiosity:
    Is the shown reprint the one from Feb.23rd,1863 ?
    If so,is it identical to the original stamp,or was the plate redone ?
    I ask,because the whole stamp looks so much crisper than all original
    stamps of this set I have seen so far.
     
  19. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Sperati.jpg Werner....just came across this Sperati forgery...only 270euros...with certificate ,stating its a genuine forgery.....of course,there is no evidence that the certificate is genuine....:cat::cat::cat:
     
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  20. Takis Kalogerakos

    Takis Kalogerakos Active Member

    one of the Canadian best
     

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