Bulgarian stamp ID

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  1. Makanudo

    Makanudo Moderator Moderator

    Too many lions in cat.
    I couldnt really find exact design/colour match.

    b3.jpg
     
  2. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Best Answer
    You are right,it´s a difficult one.But I had a look at
    Scott´s.Following to Sc.18 there is a note: "See
    Nos.207-10,286.(No such note in Michel !)
    It should be Sc.207,Mi.201 from 1927.
    The illustration in Michel shows a lined background
    of the oval,so I am still not 100% sure.
     
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  3. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Makanudo;

    That is a difficult one for sure. The design looks like Scott A4 (1884)without a surcharge. You probably will need to find a catalog other than Scott for the answer.

    Don
     
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  4. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Best Answer
    You are right,it´s a difficult one.But I had a look at
    Scott´s.Following to Sc.18 there is a note: "See
    Nos.207-10,286.(No such note in Michel !)
    It should be Sc.207,Mi.201 from 1927.
    The illustration in Michel shows a lined background
    of the oval,so I am still not 100% sure.
     
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  5. Makanudo

    Makanudo Moderator Moderator

    Perforation is 13.
    Some old bulgarian catalogue would come in handy...
     
  6. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Warner:

    Good observation and I would agree but for the design images shown in Scott. The Scott catalog identifies Sc. 207 and 286 as design A3. Now Scott's image for A3 is not great, but it is clear enough to see that the wording along the bottom of the oval is not the same as Makanudo's stamp. Most obvious to me is the lettering on the left of the bottom oval in A3 which is TP and backward N. In Makanudo's stamp image it is AECETb which is also the inscription in design A4. To me, Makanudo's stamp looks like design A4, but without a surcharge.

    Makanudo, what is the perforation and watermark on your stamp? There is a perforation difference between Sc. 19 and 207, and a different watermark for 286. Perhaps perf and watermark info might aid an identification in this instance.

    Don
     
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  7. Makanudo

    Makanudo Moderator Moderator

    Don,
    The writing is DESET in cyrrilic writing, which means ten(number) and is the value of the stamp. The design looks more like A3 but the decor of the stamp and colour are a little different, so in my oppinion neither designs are like my stamp. Perforation is 13 on both sides which is consistent with Werners suggestion.
    Watermark is not visible and it is still not clear to me how to make it visible, in case there is one.
     
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  8. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Makanudo:

    Thanks for the translation of three and ten. That makes a decisive difference in my position. Your stamp then must be Sc design A3 and that being the case, it is, as Warner said, either Sc. 207 or Sc 286. Both 207 and 286 are perf 13, and Sc 207 is unwatermarked and Sc. 286 watermark 145. I am unable to offer any further opinion on this stamp and would catalog it Sc. 207. Color variation could be due to atmospheric or chemical reactions.

    I did a couple of edits on this post, but believe I now have it as it should be. Initially, I thought 207 was watermarked 168, but that is not the case. So, Sc. 207 seems to be the right identification.

    An interesting stamp. Thanks for posting and the opportunity to speculate on it.



    Don
     
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  9. Makanudo

    Makanudo Moderator Moderator

    @DonSellos
    @Werner Salentin
    Thank you both for demistifying this one.
    It was very insightfull to read the way you reason and the way you cross use two catalogues.
    It was really educating.
    :bookworm::cool:
     
  10. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    I am sorry,that I did not spot the problem at once.
    The colour of Makanudos stamp is quite allright.
    But the colour for Sc.207,as described in the Scott catalogue,is wrong ! At least in the versions I have
    access to.
    Sc.207 (Mi.201) and 286 (Mi.201 z) are in Scott "dk red & db",meaning dark red and drab.
    Michel describes 201 (Sc.207) as "karmin/graugrün"
    (carmine/grey-green) and 201 z as "karmin/grau"
    (carmine/grey).
    So I am quite sure that Makanudos stamp is Mi.201,Sc.207.
     
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  11. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    Well done Mr Warner Selentin Sir - but many tries
    Actually very simple - the word ИНКИ tells you this is a currency change and therefore it is the 1927 reprint Sc207. SG 275
     
  12. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    RuStamps,
    I don´t think you are that stupid,that you can´t read.
    So I assume,that you spell my name wrong intentionally.
    You may think adding Sir is funny.Maybe it is at a first time.
    But repeats are just childish.
    I would like not to be adressed by you in future and I for my part will
    ignore you.
     
  13. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    OK I see I press wrong key but I was told to call you Mr so just being nice and proper
    BTW I think word adress is wrong not proper spelling
     
  14. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Werner...steady on....if you ignore him as well,there won,t be any one able to read his stimulating and highly informative posts.Just think of all that knowledge you are missing.....plus all the tips on how to make a perfect scan....:chicken:

    Mr Bob
     
  15. Werner Salentin

    Werner Salentin Well-Known Member

    Robert,
    your words may be prophetic.
    Rustamps today joined "The Stamp Forum".
    He did send me there two messages already.
    Both included the following line:
    Maybe I just stay here and you stay at dull stamp exchange
    So maybe,he will follow up his words.

    Werner
     
  16. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Werner:

    It will be interesting to see how long he lasts on The Stamp Forum. My impression is that TSF has more disciple from moderators than this place. I certainly hope so as I believe you are a member of TSF too. Unfortunately, I'd look for more of the same criticism over there.

    Don
     
  17. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    I hope he carries out his threat and goes...I actually quite like staying here with the other dull members of the old ladies teaparty.....:cat::cat::cat::cat::cat::cat:
     
  18. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    Seems you did LOTS of trolling and complaining at TSF - members here should check how your complaining has been noted by members at TSF and from what I hear by moderator
     
  19. anglobob

    anglobob Moderator Moderator

    Rustamps.....
    Please do me a big favour....and probably I am echoing sentiments of other old ladies of the tea party group...go and join that other group..
    I certainly won,t miss your constant carping and critical comments.
    Bob
     
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  20. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    RuStamps:

    These are my sentiments as well. I am weary of your critical and intentional insensitive posts. Your vendetta against Werner Salentin is, in my opinion, unwarranted. Please give it up.

    Don
     
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  21. RuStamps

    RuStamps Member

    OK you are right Mr Salentin only deserves the same as he does on other site.
    So I will not say anything not nice until he makes error again but the should be soon
     
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