1913 panama-pacific perforated 12

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  1. noble-history

    noble-history Member

    Sorry... another question guys.. I warned I would ask a few :p Are these stamps(well I guess all stamps in general)worth more when attached to each other? on cover specifically...



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  2. Philactica

    Philactica Active Member

    What is collected as you have shown is not the stamps but the cancellation (called Flag Cancels) and some are really scarce I am to believe.

    You would need to get more information/ literature on this.
     
  3. zararina

    zararina Simply Me! :D

    The second stamp is damaged which I think lower its value. Also I think if the cover is whole, it could have more value. :D
     
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  4. Philactica

    Philactica Active Member

    The damaged stamp can serve only to get a better one with that Flag cancel.

    Of course the rule is a single stamp is always of lesser value than if it were on Cover.

    Sadly many were seperated in this way we see in the scans bur would be of little value were they just stamps.
     
  5. Sarahrtw

    Sarahrtw Active Member

    Ooh, that is an interesting cancel. I can't speak to value, I'll defer to the previous posters on that, but thanks for sharing anyway.
     
  6. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Does anyone here collect cancel by any chance?
     
  7. zararina

    zararina Simply Me! :D

    Yes I would if there will be an opportunity. I am not particular to any stamp. :)
     
  8. DonSellos

    DonSellos Moderator Moderator

    Flag cancels, no. Bullseyes, CDCs, & object cancels on stamps, yes.

    Don
     
  9. jim72051

    jim72051 Active Member

    I collect precancels, hand cancels by town and state on cover, sock on the nose either on cover on not, and flags on cover like the one shown, bullseyes, numbers and other odd marks like the ones below. I also do first day cancels, ship cancels, flight cancels and space covers (mailed from launch site the day of the launch). Obviously I have way too many stamps and covers.

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  10. jim72051

    jim72051 Active Member

    Her are two I acquired last month at a show in Florida. the first is a bulls-eye and the second is a cut-cork cancel
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  11. jim72051

    jim72051 Active Member

    Here are a couple flag cancels on covers. they each have a letter in the middle of the stripes that is missing on yours
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  12. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    "Your machine cancel was most probably made by an American machine that impressed a U. S. flag as the killer. These types of machines were in use for many years, and were the lifetime study of Frederick Langford. His book has remained the most comprehensive listing of such cancels. Some of the "flags" were in fact banners with slogans or post office branch names.

    Note however, that the Time-Marking/Cummins company produced a single flag cancel machine for Lahaina, Hawaii. Otherwise, this style of cancel was not used by any other machine.

    It should also be noted, that there were a number of flag cancels created as handstamps. They may look like American machine cancels, but are actually handstamps. They can usually be identified by the large postmark dial circle, much larger in diameter than the circle used by the American machine."


    http://swansongrp.com/macht600.html

    "APMC (American Postal Machine Company) introduced the flag cancel in 1894, which used the wavy lines of the cancel to depict an approximate image of an American flag. During the 1890s dozens of other companies got into the business, although most were short-lived, and only about six, including Pitney-Bowes, lasted past the 1920s."

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  13. zararina

    zararina Simply Me! :D

    I like the stamps on those old covers above. I wanted to collect more covers in the future. :)
     
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